WILMETTE PARK DISTRICT
 CENTENNIAL OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING


Date: October 8, 2012

Place:  Village Hall Council Chambers

Time: 6:15 p.m.

Attendance
Commissioners: Chair Graham, Benz, Murdock 
Absent: None
Staff: Wilson, Bingham, Bowen, Eppelheimer, Flynn, Smith, Udany 
Visitors: See Attached

Topics of Discussion:
1) Meeting Called to Order
2) Approval of Minutes
3) Proposed FY 2013 Budgets
      a) Tennis
      b) Ice
      c) Pool
4) Communications and Correspondence
5) Pool Schedule Options
6) Public Comment
7) Committee Discussion
8) Adjourn

Discussions/Decisions:

1) The meeting was called to order at 6:15 p.m.

2) Commissioner Murdock pointed out that the September Centennial Committee Meeting was held at the Centennial Recreation Complex, not the Park District Administration Office. The Committee then approved the minutes of the September 19, 2012 Committee meeting as amended by General Consent.

3) Proposed FY 2013 Tennis, Ice and Pool Budgets:

Committee Chair Graham welcomed everyone to the meeting and stated the Committee would first be reviewing the proposed budgets for the Tennis, Ice and Pool facilities. He added that the issue of the pool schedules would also be reviewed.

      a) Proposed FY 2013 Tennis Budget: Superintendent Bowen reported the Tennis facility has experienced a 4% increase in participants this year. However, memberships are currently down 12% and our permanent court time usage is down 4%. In regard to fee increases, the recommendation is a flat 0% increase for memberships and court fees. Lessons are scheduled to increase by 2.5% and there will be a 1% increase on guest fees which results in an additional 50 cents per guest. An error had been made in the 2012 projection so this line item is off by $14,000 in camp revenue since that amount had been taken out for the Golf/Tennis camp. As a result, revenue is actually is going up about 1% and expenses are going up 2.6%. Staff realizes this is not a good trend and they will be working to correct that in 2013 as well as future years in order to keep revenue at pace with expenses.

 Daily fees will be increasing slightly with guest fees. The fee revenue is increased by $6,947 and membership fees are up 1.9% to $1,894 due to the decline in the number of memberships. Rental revenue from the court is also up slightly but staff is not recommending an increase. Retail sales are up about $1,000 or 1% due to a slight increase in pro shop sales. Miscellaneous Revenue which includes the stringing program is at 70% or $8,350 dollars. Expenses include a 1.8% increase in salaries to $15,950; employee benefits are up 8.5% at $9,973; contract services are up 7.7% at $3,350; utilities are up 6.9% overall; and supplies are up about 11%. This is an increase from the year-end projection for a new uniform program which is up at 11.6% as we are trying to rebrand ourselves for a new look at the facilities. Repairs are actually down 15.1% due to lower than anticipated yearend projections due to lower anticipated costs.

 Commissioner Murdock asked for information about the new family rate for residents which is being proposed for residents. He assumed that by doing this it would decrease the costs for some non-resident families which would mean the Park District would be assuming that decrease and then drive additional demand from some non-resident families in a facility where we have excess capacity. Superintendent Bowen replied this is correct since currently we are not increasing anything because of our downturn in memberships. However, it will probably not generate a lot of dollars.

 Commissioner Murdock asked about the Miscellaneous Revenue in FY 2011 when we had $7,600 and then in FY 2012 we anticipated there would be about $12,000. However, for FY 2013 it is anticipated we will be at $20,000. Superintendent Bowen replied this was because a staff member now has more time to do the stringing which results in slightly more revenue.

 Commissioner Murdock asked about labor costs and that according to the budget it is anticipated we would be spending $322,000 on the first six categories of labor. However, we are actually spending about $309,000 and next year we anticipate paying $312,000. Superintendent Bowen replied that one of our full-time staff members was off of work for much of the year and then filled in for part-time people which resulted in a lower cost.

 Chair Graham stated that in terms of revenue numbers is there a reason that revenue is declining. Superintendent Bowen replied that when looking at memberships and permanent court time, the tennis business has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. We virtually had no programming at all at one point and now programming is a majority of our business. In fact, people do not seem to be joining tennis clubs and purchasing permanent court time as they once did. As a result, staff has been proactive in that we have come up with a variety of programming to fill up a lot of permanent court time hours. Our rates are competitive but they are still expensive and staff needs to take a look at revenue and expenses more closely to see where we can make a difference in the future since we will not be able to sustain the facility when expenses rise faster than the revenues.

 After further discussion, the Committee unanimously approved the FY 2013 Tennis Budget as presented.

      b) Proposed FY 2013 Ice Budget: Superintendent Bowen stated that although our classes have expanded over the years, the facility is actually down in participants from the fall 2010 to summer 2011 compared to fall 2011 to summer 2012 by about 6% in actual participants. Memberships are also going down a bit which can be attributed to one of the warmer winters ever experienced. Ice contracts continue to grow which will most likely result in a year-end number of $15,000 above budget.

 For 2013 staff is only recommending a 1% increase in memberships. We charge on the high end for our ice contracts so we will be recommending a 0% increase for ice time. Classes were a little low and we are recommending a 5% increase to our beginning classes and a 2.5% increase in our advance classes for next year.

 The rink will be closed from April 22 through September 16, 2013 for the reconstruction project and with that there are some expense savings but also a lot of revenue loss. Staff is looking at a bottom line including full transfers for comparison purposes of a negative $144,546. However, this will be adjusted before the budget meeting in December when the final budget is approved by the Board. Superintendent Bowen explained that the ice rink is approximately 38 years old and there have been several mechanical problems over the years. As a result, the Board felt it was a good time to rebuild the ice making system which is tied into the HVAC system which will total approximately $2 million for next year.

 After additional discussion, the Committee unanimously approved the FY 2013 Ice Budget as presented.

      c) Proposed FY 2013 Pool Budget: Superintendent Bowen stated that as a result of direction from the Committee, in 2012 the pool actually saw a 4% decrease in our lesson program – not revenue but actual bodies. Memberships increased 12% and daily fees decreased 12%. Staff feels that because of the hot weather in August of 2011 we were approached by several people, especially non-residents, about their inability to buy a half-season pass. As a result, the daily fees were much higher than normal in 2011 which is why we now have this decrease. Staff is recommending fee increases of 2.5% for resident memberships and 25% for non-residents. The daily fees will then be split up between weekday and weekend rates.

 Resident fees were currently $8 for a daily admission and they will now be going up to $8.25 during the week and $10 on weekends. Admission for non-residents was $14.50 and will be increased to $18 on weekdays and $20 on weekends.

  After additional discussion, the Committee unanimously approved the FY 2013 Pool Budget as presented.

4)  Communications and Correspondence: Chair Graham reported an email had been received from Pat Lykins who stated she enjoyed swimming in the lap lanes this summer and also suggested there be two separate waiting lines when entering the pool to avoid long lines – one for passholders and one for daily patrons.

 Superintendent Bowen explained that staff has already been using that type of system when the pool has been busy. Chair Graham stated the second email was from Keith Cyrus who suggested that non-residents not be able to purchase daily passes and that if non-residents want to use the pool, they should purchase annual passes only. Chair Graham added that the Committee had already talked about these issues in prior meetings.

5) Pool Schedule: Options

 Chair Graham asked Superintendent Bowen to outline the three pool schedule options that staff had developed for the public. Superintendent Bowen reported that from previous public comment at the last meeting, staff is investigating the possibility of expanding the swimming season into October. This investigation is still ongoing and will be reported on at a future date.

 Superintendent Bowen stated that Learn to Swim and Diving classes are conducted between 9 am to 12:50 pm, Monday to Friday. During the 2012 season, 632 children and teenagers participated in regular lessons. Additionally, 361 Park District campers also participated in lessons during this time period. For these lessons, older children use the main pool and younger children use the activity pool for lessons. There were also 147 participants in Parent-Tot classes on Saturday and Sunday mornings between 9 am and 10:50 am. Of these individuals, 65% were residents of Wilmette and 35% were non-residents. These classes add net revenue of $45,442 to the facility. On the weekends, the Parent-Tot classes use the activity pool, while the Swim Club and Evanston Masters use the main pool on Saturdays. There is also lap swimming on Sunday morning in the main pool. 

 If public swim were to be expanded into the morning hours on weekdays or weekends, these classes would have to be reduced or eliminated. 

 With direction from the Committee, staff has developed three options. Currently on Monday through Friday during the 5 pm to 7 pm time slot, the swim club uses five lanes of the main pool and the lap swimmers use three lanes. During the 2012 season, the swim club utilized a total of 1,079.5 lane hours in the main pool which is an hour per lane. Lap swimming currently has the largest amount of time of any user group. Lap swimming currently has 14 hours per day Monday through Friday, 10 hours on Saturday, and 12 hours on Sunday, varying from 2 to 8 lanes for a total of 3,408 lane hours. Public swim in the main pool has a total of 2,838 lane hours (usage). The Evanston Master swimmers currently have 734 and also on Tuesday and Thursday night.

 OPTION #1: This option would eliminate lap swimming in the main pool Monday through Friday between 5 pm to 7 pm. The swim club lanes would be reduced from 5 lanes to 4 lanes and public swim would use 4 lanes.  Evanston Masters would continue utilizing Tuesday and Thursday evenings between 9 and 10:30 pm after the facility closed to the public.  Lap swim hours would be reduced by 240 lane hours during this time. The swim club, under this option, would have a total of 995 lane hours.

 OPTION #2: This option would utilize the current schedule for the first hour in the main pool between 5 pm to 6 pm and utilize the modifications under option #1 during the second hour from 6 pm to 7 pm. Lap swimming would be displaced one hour and would resume at 7 pm. Public Swim would begin at 6 pm and continue to 9 pm. Evanston Masters would continue utilizing Tuesday and Thursday evenings from 9 pm to 10:30 pm after the facility closed to the public. Lap swim hours would be reduced by 120 lane hours during this time. The swim club, under this option, would have a total of 879 lane hours.

 OPTION #3: This option would have two schedules – one schedule for Monday, Wednesday and Friday and a second schedule for Tuesday and Thursday in the main pool. It would also modify the number of lap swimming lanes on Sunday morning and reduce the number of lanes the Evanston Masters utilize on Tuesday and Thursday evenings.

 On Monday, Wednesday and Friday between 5 pm to 7 pm, there would be 3 lanes for lap swimming and 5 lanes for public swim. The New Trier Swim Club would utilize use 8 lanes between 9 pm and 10:30 pm.

 On Tuesday and Thursday between 5 pm to 7 pm, the swim club would utilize 4 lanes and public swim would utilize 4 lanes. There would be no lap swimming during this time. The swim club would also use 4 lanes from 9 pm to 10:30 pm and Evanston Masters would be reduced to 4 lanes during this time.

 Additionally, on Sunday morning, between 6:45 am and 8:45 am lap swimming would be reduced from 8 lanes to 4 lanes. The swim club would be offered to utilize the other 4 lanes during that timeframe on Sunday morning.

 During Monday through Friday between 5 pm to 7 pm, lap swim hours would be reduced to 140 lane hours during this time. The swim club, under this option, would have a total of 1,127.5 lane hours.

6) Public Comment

 Bob Keyser, Head Coach of New Trier Swim Club (NTSC) stated he was asked to be here tonight and for the record he is not a Wilmette resident. When looking at the use of the pool when it was built, it was clear that the intent of the pool was for competitive swimming. When the current pool was built, the Park District came to the NTSC to look for support which the NTSC offered as a service to the community. The NTSC has a total of just under 400 members between the ages of 5 and 18 and 122 of those are Wilmette residents. On any given afternoon between 5 and 7 pm they have approximately 100 swimmers in the pool of which 31 are Wilmette residents. The NTSC has been a good partner with the Park District and we value this partnership. We also pay for the privilege of using 5 lanes of the pool. Many members not only pay for the NTSC but also pay for memberships at the Centennial facility. We have done our best to serve as many members of the community as possible. The time we currently have is reasonable and the use of this pool has allowed members of this community to represent the US in the last two years in a number of competitions across the world. Competitive swimming has also helped members of this community get into colleges. He understands that from 5-7 pm he is aware some of the other user groups are unhappy. However, there are more hours available to them than are available to the NTSC.

 Eileen Lee, 350 Romona Road, stated her 10-year-old daughter has been in the club for four years and although she is only 10 years old, she enjoys swimming which is one of her biggest passions. She also uses the skating and tennis facilities at Centennial and her family is a strong supporter of the Park District. One of the advantages of the swim club is that we then have access to Centennial in the summer. The training that the children receive in a 50-meter pool is significant. Her daughter is very busy in the summer so the only time she gets to swim is when she practices and then stays afterwards to enjoy the facility. The 7-9 pm time slot being discussed for younger children is ridiculous and unrealistic. If the swim club is taken away from Centennial, it would be a huge loss to the team as well as the Park District.

 Marnee Ketchum, 2800 Orchard Lane stated she has three children on the NTSC ranging in age from 7 to 13. She can’t say enough good things about the difference in her children’s lives – both physically and mentally – because of the NTSC. The program has phenomenal coaches and the facilities are top-notch. Not every swim club has the opportunity to train in a 50-meter pool but it does make a big difference at swim meets and she understands the pacing required. This swim program represents the community and we should be proud and supportive of it.

 Stephanie Boles, 3211 Greenleaf Avenue, stated her husband Jesse Dienstag and her children Joe and Sam, ages 8 and 10 respectively, are wearing T-shirts that say “My teammate is an Olympic Swimmer Qualifier and I’m next”. There were six children in the swim club who qualified to go to Omaha, Nebraska for the Olympic Trials this year because we had access to a large-size pool. Their goal is to someday swim at New Trier High School, be able to get into college on a scholarship, and even become Olympic swimmers. It is very important that we keep this sport in our community.

 Paul Yonover, 825 Romona Road, stated he was here with two other swimmers – Jack and Mason – and they have lived in Wilmette for eight years. He is voicing his support for the NTSC and stated they have been in the club for several years. He is sensing antipathy toward the swim club which confuses him. The swim club is a gem and it’s why people live in this neighborhood and communities like Wilmette. The swim club is unique and well run and the people are very passionate about it for a good reason. Obviously there is tension among the user groups but he believes that those who have voiced their opposition to the NTSC’s use of the pool are actually a relative minority. If everyone really understood what the NTSC was about and how well it represents in Wilmette, they would realize its value. And the option of having his seven-year-old swimming at 9 pm at night is not feasible.

 Shrinath Thelapurath, 212 Thelon Court stated his son has been in this program for a year now. He has been to many programs. Also, a child age 7 or 8 swimming at night is not reasonable since you would cut down the participation rate. Since this is the community’s 50-meter pool it’s very important to keep it.
 Jennifer (Last name unknown), stated she and Sean have been season passholders since 2001 and have used all of the Park District’s facilities. They have four children age 8, 10, 13 and 16. She is a master swimmer and has been a lap swimmer as well. But she also understands the perspective of families who want to use the pool from 5 to 7 pm. In addition, she is a supporter of the NTSC so she would like to look for a compromise. In regard to the two 20-minute safety breaks, she wonders if they could allow lap swimming during the two safety breaks. She understands that the breaks are for safety drills but maybe they could use only half of the pool. That would then add 40 minutes per day for lap swimmers. In an attempt to keep the pool open longer, the lap swimmers and adult swimmers would pay an extra charge if they could swim from early May through October. She has been on the Masters team for 10 years swimming from 9 to 10:30 pm and suggested that the adult lap swimmers could swim on Monday, Wednesday and Friday night but she doesn’t think that it would be good for the NTSC to swim that late at night. There could also be an additional charge from 9 to 10:30 pm on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and there would still be a lot of people there.

 Forbes Robertson, 1700 Lake Avenue stated he is a former board member of the NTSC and agrees with what has been previously said. It’s very important for the swim club members to have access to the pool at the hours they need. He also thinks it sets a good example to the other children at the pool when they see a group of athletes coming in and using some of the lanes. Some of these swimmers are going to swim trials at the state, national and international levels and it’s important to see that happen. As a Wilmette resident he pays Centennial fees and swim club fees so essentially he pays double for access to the pool. The club contributes significant dollars to Centennial for the use of the pool for two months of
 the year which is a significant amount of the swim club’s budget. Also, it is too much to ask children to swim at 10:30 at night.

 Ami Bauman, 3110 Nina Avenue stated she has two swimmers ages 12 and 15. Her 15-year-old has been a swimmer with the club since he was 7 and her 12-year-old also then wanted to swim. Her family has season passes to Centennial and also pays dues for the swim club. The children are both at the point where they use the pool in the morning and in the afternoon. She thinks that the opportunity these kids have to use a 50-meter pool and compete at that level brings notoriety to them and value to the community. The kids that come from this program are the ones who swim at New Trier High School in state and national championships. In terms of the importance of a 50-meter pool which is what the competitive season is about her kids have learned so much and will bring so much to wherever they grow up. They also learn self-esteem, goal-setting, organization, and sportsmanship. Those are things that won’t be as valuable if part of their time is taken away from them. Her daughter received opportunities that she would not have had in other sports to compete at an all-state level this summer because she worked hard and earned it. As a result, she would hate to see that taken away from the other 110 children who are part of the program.

 Dave Pelzek, 1513 Greenwood Avenue stated his family has been season passholders for eight years at Centennial. His two daughters age 8 and 10 are on the NTSC team. In regard to the question of swimming times, most days the kids start swimming at 8 pm and then return to the pool at 7 am the next day. The 10:30 pm time is not a palatable option. Ever since he has lived here, he can’t remember a year that the NTSC was not in the pool from 5 to 7 pm. However, the issues have become more aggressive over the summer and people are being asked to sign petitions. He thinks the correct solution is to close it to the public before they buy their season or daily passes and put up a sign indicating there is a portion of the pool that is reserved for the club for them to swim at after-school meets. We appreciate the opportunity to participate in the club and the kids love the program. He then asked that the Board consider not making any changes.

 Erik Vandergraaf, 2923 Old Glenview Road stated that at the last meeting he tried his best to represent what the NTSC is all about. He wanted to add that he also has two children on the swim team and like everyone else has stated they also pay for and enjoy a family membership to the pool. He has a 12-year-old on the team who has practice from 5 to 7 pm and then again at 6 am the next day. His son started at a very basic level of the team and he then was asking if he could go to another practice at 5 am. As a result, he went from the middle of the pack at school to the front since he has learned how to discipline himself and is able to get his homework done. He rides his own bicycle and takes that responsibility upon himself, sometimes in the dark. As a parent he humbly asked that the team keep its 5-7 pm slot. The team represents the community. At the previous meeting he sensed a lot
 of anger at an organization of which he is very proud and which has advanced the children of this community beyond anything he could have imagined.

Commissioner Murdock noted that the Park Board meeting would be starting soon and suggested that this meeting be recessed and reconvened after the Park Board meeting which starts at 7:30 pm. The Centennial Operations Committee then recessed the meeting at 7:30 pm and reconvened at 8:55 pm.

6)  Committee Discussion:

 Commissioner Murdock thanked those in attendance who remained for the second half of this meeting. Commissioner Murdock then asked Mr. Keyser to provide information on where the club swims during the winter. Mr. Keyser responded they swim at Loyola and at the two New Trier High Schools. However, New Trier is only available for limited hours in the summer and Loyola is not available to them at all during the summer. Commissioner Murdock asked what the ages of the children were who used the two New Trier Pools and Mr. Keyser responded there are less than 10 college age children who swim and the primary group is made up of children age 5 to 18. It might be possible to have certain children swim only at the New Trier East pool but they do not schedule this group due to the nature of being a pool renter instead of a pool operator. Their schedule is a “puzzle and a patchwork” and he believes the club doesn’t have anyone who swims at just one pool.

 Commissioner Murdock stated he assumes that as the children get older it’s more important for them to swim in a 50-meter pool. Mr. Keyser added that the competitive program starts at age 6 in a 50-meter pool for half of the year and one of the most important things for them to learn is to not be afraid of competing in a 50-meter pool and the experience benefits all ages. In addition, the pools they swim in the summer are all 50-meter pools except for one facility. A 6-year-old doesn’t spend the same amount of time in the pool as a 16-year-old would but starting with some of the children age 9 through 12 they practice in the morning and the afternoon and are effective users in both time periods although the older children have more practice hours scheduled.

 Mr. Keyser stated that the times they swim at the high school pools are from 6:30 to 8:30 am and from 5 to 7 pm. Commissioner Murdock asked what the club was using our diving well for. Mr. Keyser responded that they use it for younger swimmers and so much of their program is based on teaching. It has been an effective tool in instructing younger children but also for advancing skills for our older children. The club recognizes there are other people who use the pool but there were also a number of times this summer when the club did not use their allotted part of the pool even though they were paying for it.

 Commissioner Benz stated that when this issue came up about a year ago the Committee tried to be as “Solomon-like” as possible. At that time we asked all of the various parties if they had suggestions as far as options are concerned which included a reduction of one lane or a slight shift one way or the other.

 Mr. Keyser stated he understands the position that the Park District is in and thinks there are ways that the Park District can do to address the concerns of people who are disappointed in the lack of availability. He is a renter and the District will tell us the times that are available for rent. They would like to have more space as opposed to less space in the pool and want to serve their constituency like the District’s does theirs. The option of swimming later at night and then having the children swim at 6 am doesn’t provide much flexibility for the swimmers. This facility was designed for competitive swimming 50 years ago. Mr. Keyser added that it would be possible to schedule the older children for later times but then they would run into their own scheduling issues. Mr. Keyser added the number of swim team
 members averages around 110 swimmers Monday through Friday although every age group has different practice times.

 Commissioner Murdock stated he thought the relationship between the Park District and the swim club has been a wonderful partnership and that the swim club provides a great resource for the community. But for some reason the 5 to 7 pm time period has become much more of an issue. He also to wants to make it clear he doesn’t want to remove the NTSC from the pool but does want to figure out a way to keep as many people happy as possible. What he is struggling with is the revenue the club provides to the District is insignificant.  A number of people want that space for swimming and the Park District is fine with raising their fees. When looking at the dollars from NTSC and how we would replace those dollars with the rest of our membership, it works out to be a low number at $1.25 per pass holder. He wants to come up with a solution to keep the NTSC at the pool since they are an important user group. He understands the club wants to keep the status quo but he personally doesn’t see that happening tonight so maybe both sides could dig deeper and talk about what we can do.

 Mr. Keyser responded that he was not going to address Option #3 since there wouldn’t be any swimmers to put into the lanes. He runs the swim team and his job is to provide the best experience he can. His pool times change at every pool almost on an annual basis. He provides a service to his members in the best way possible although there are definitely people who disagree with his decisions. The Park District has a facility that was built by this community clearly as a competitive pool although it obviously has other uses as well. The swim club wants to confirm that we want to work with the Park District to provide a valuable and valued service to this community and the Park District’s support of their organization in allowing them to do what they do best serves your constituency and community and regardless of the options that are chosen, the complaints will still come in.

 Commissioner Murdock stated the Committee would be willing to talk about “tweaking” Option 3. In regard to Option 1, he is not comfortable with eliminating lap swimming from 5 to 7 pm every day. He feels much more strongly about Option 2 and would not support it since families and situations have changed and because people come to the pool after camp or for activities at 3 pm. From what he’s been hearing about the community and the primary use of the pool, he would not consider Option 2. As a result, he is looking at derivation of Option 3.

 Paul Yonover indicated although he spoke earlier he wanted to add that it seems as if the pushback from the community is a very vocal minority. It is also part and parcel of the overcrowding issue. He thinks the NTSC is being thrown together with the overcrowding issue and the non-residents. The NTSC is not an outsider and 30% of the swim club members are Wilmette residents. It is unfair that the NTSC is being bundled together with the overcrowding issue so if that is addressed, the issue would go away.

 Commissioner Graham stated that it is not an overcrowding issue and that from the correspondence we have received the main complaint is the fact that the main pool is shut down for public use from 5 to 7 pm. As a result, the question is do we maintain the status quo when there is a significant number of people who would complain. He believes there are options that can satisfy all groups but not to the complete satisfaction of any one group. Unfortunately, if we maintain the status quo, he believes that the NTSC runs the risk of losing access to the pool. As a result, his favorite option is #2 but everyone will still have a different view of what the ideal solution would be. He also liked Option #3 for the purposes of the swim club which would have 8 lanes from 9 to 10:30 pm, although he also understands that the late night hours are an issue. Mr. Keyser stated that the option of swimming from 9 to 10:30 pm would not work, would be counter-intuitive to athletic training, and would send a poor message.

 Commissioner Shelly stated it seems to her that the point is to get time to swim in the 50-meter pool and finding the time that would work. As a result, maybe we are looking at the wrong time so we should look at something in the morning. Mr. Keyser responded that the time being looked at in the morning is when the Evanston Masters are in the pool.

 Commissioner Graham asked the Committee members to express their opinions on the options.

 Commissioner Benz stated he would like to see a fourth or a fifth option as well. Superintendent Bowen stated the three options came directly from the Committee members so if more direction is provided he could come up with another option. Commissioner Benz suggested postponing the decision until the next meeting. Director Wilson added we need to have the schedule set up by November which is when the next Leisure Time Guide comes out. Superintendent Bowen stated the next Committee meeting is scheduled to be held on Monday, November 12.

 Committee Chair Graham suggested revisiting the options and possibly modifying them to include an option for the general public with at least 3 lanes. He also thinks the other user groups, the lap swimmers and the swim club need to understand they will be having reduced lanes to accommodate this move and maybe have one lane taken away from the lap swimmers during that period or two lanes taken away from the NTSC. He also understands that the hours of 9 to 10:30 pm for the NSTC are not ideal. However, maybe we could open up the pool to NTSC during that period for the older children which would provide NTSC access to the 50-meter pool and then work it into the schedule in a way that they can swim a couple nights a week.

 Commissioner Murdock indicated he wasn’t on this committee last year but as he recalls at one point there was a discussion about having 8 lanes and dividing up each of the three groups but he also recalled there was a concern about how that would work. He also stated he very much wants to come up with a compromise. The fundamental problem is that he swam at Centennial as a child and for far too many years there has been a large group of the public who have been disenfranchised and it is a larger group than the NTSC and the lap swimmers. What has since happened is that frustration has built up and we were too slow to see that. The reality is that now it’s a big deal so we need to find a way to fix it and the only way is to do that is to impact the NTSC or the lap swimmers or a combination of both. He personally would not choose a plan that does not have public swimming in the main pool. He also wonders how much the swim club and the lap swimmers would become disadvantaged by that which he is still struggling to figure out. He thought we should take a look at some additional modifications when there are really three different swim times: 5-7 pm, 7-9 pm, and 9-10:30 pm. He personally would not approve of any plan that would cause the general public to not be able to use the facility at any point and then not be able to come back in.

 Mr. Keyser stated he would work with whatever time was available but he would ask for the opportunity to be a part of the process in coming up with ideas to which Committee Chair Graham agreed.

 After additional discussion, Commissioner Murdock stated that the Committee would like to come up with a solution that provides the public with more access yet still meet the needs of the NTSC. As a result, this issue will be reviewed at the next Committee meeting on November 12, 2012.

7) Old Business: None


8) New Business: None


There being no further business, the meeting adjourned to at 10:00 pm.


Minutes taken by Jeffrey Bowen. 

MINUTES APPROVED NOVEMBER 26, 2012.